Should your son be a Boy Scout?

by Janet Denison
Thursday, 31 January 2013
Normal Rockwell 1945 painting 'I Will Do My Best'A lot of Christian moms are asking that question this week.  I've asked myself and others that question, and I still wonder about an answer.  The Boy Scouts of America are considering a change in their policies that would lift their ban on gay scouts and gay scout leaders.  The organization is quick to say that individual sponsors and parents “would be able to choose a local unit which best meets the needs of their families.”  In other words, the philosophy of the organization might change, but that doesn't mean you have to think the same way they do.   I have always had a great appreciation for the goals and ideals of the Boy Scouts.  I think that is why I was so shocked by the news this week.  Here is the question I have posed to a lot of Christians this week:  Would you still feel good about taking your second grade son to a Boy Scout meeting?  I have received a variety of answers.

The Boy Scouts were founded in the early 1900's and millions of young people have participated in their programs.  A Boy Scout must memorize and take an oath to: "Do my duty to God and country; do my best to help others, whatever it costs me; and know the scout law and obey it."  The Scout Law is an impressive list of values and behaviors associated with having moral character.  This statement was added to the law in 1911 and I'm curious to see if it will remain: "A Scout is clean in thought, word and deed. Decent Scouts look down upon silly youths who talk dirt, and they do not let themselves give way to temptation, either to talk it or to do anything dirty. A Scout is pure, and clean-minded, and manly."  Will the organization change this law or try to redefine it by today's standards?

Some of the parents I spoke with said they believed it would be okay for their son to be a Boy Scout as long as they were careful to choose the right, church sponsored troop.  Other parents said they would want to have a lot of discussion with the troop leader and be reassured that their son would be taught the traditional values of scouting.  Some parents said that they would not want to take their child to an organization that had chosen to teach a non-biblical message.  The one common position among every Christian parent I spoke to was disappointment that it had come to this.  Most thought they would just avoid the situation and choose to be involved in other things.

This is not the first time I have written on the issue of homosexuality.  My husband and I chose to write on the same issue today because it is a huge issue facing the culture and the church.  And it looks like the church is hoping to avoid the subject or find a way to reconcile with popular opinion.  Unfortunately, there will always be inevitable consequences to that compromise.  The Bible makes it clear, from Genesis to Revelation, that marriage is between a man and a woman, and sex is God's gift for that relationship.  The Bible teaches that homosexuality is not a sexual preference, it is a sexual perversion (Romans 1:26-27).  Our culture used to embrace the biblical definition of marriage as truth.  Now, many of our churches have stepped away from God's definition in order to embrace the belief of the culture. 

What should we tell our kids?  That we believe the Bible is God's word and we can trust God to tell the truth.  We should be kind, we should be compassionate but we should not compromise.  We can't.  The Bible is truth.  Don't be too upset with the Boy Scouts.  They aren't very different than many of our church denominations today.  But we can't allow the culture to define what is truth.  We don't ever want to tell God, "I don't feel that you were right on this subject and I just can't believe you."  God has not given us the choice to edit his Word, he has called us to obey it.  The Boy Scouts take an oath to do their duty to God and country.  How will their scoutmasters define that duty?

Will you feel good about dropping your child off at a Boy Scout meeting?  Let me know what you think...I'm still wondering. 




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+2 # Sissy 2013-01-31 07:27
No I would not want my child to be in Boy Scouts if they change their organization to include gays. Why risk my child and I believe it would send the wrong message about what I and my family believe. The boy scouts may cave to popular opinion but I'm not going to
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+4 # James Molter 2013-01-31 08:40
I have 4 Grandsons and 1 Adopted Son and Many foster Kids and I wouldn't let them Attend any Boy Scout Unit that Promotes Homosexuality, Period.Thats a No Brainer The Bible is Perfectly clear Its a SIN and anything you do over and over again is not Forgiven so Its time Christians all over the USA stand up for what is right We let them take Prayer out of Schools and take the 10 Comandments out of Government Buildings when is enough is enough
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-3 # Vance Woods 2013-01-31 09:38
In the 1950s, a Boy Scout leader from Kansas City opened a campaign which placed over 200 replicas of the Statue of Liberty in towns across the U.S., including my hometown of Butler, Missouri. They did this in honor of the ongoing tradition of freedom enjoyed in our nation. It seems to me that opening the organization to gay members and leaders is a continuation of that emphasis, not a change to it, and that the Boy Scouts should be saluted for their actions.
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+5 # Janet D. 2013-01-31 11:03
I think the issue is not freedom but truth. The question is not whether a boy scout is free to choose an unbiblical lifestyle, but whether an organization should accept,even encourage, such a choice.
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+2 # Judy 2013-01-31 22:02
Mr. Woods:
I was not aware of the Scouts' freedom campaign to honor our liberties with what they did across America. They were honoring freedom, not sin. From Genesis to Revelation--over all those thousands of years, the Bible remained clear: homosexuality is a sin, it is not a freedom.
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-3 # RedDog2 2013-01-31 09:48
It's easier to say and follow if one is 100% hetero. I have gay and lesbian nephew and niece, they really convinced me they are "stuck" that way. Author Philip Yancey ? wrote the excellent book "The Jesus I Never Knew", I recall he described a very good friend who "came out" and it pretty much ruined his high up Christian position in ministry.
This fellow was prayed over, anointed in oil, did a lot of professional Christian counseling, they even tried exorcism. Nothing worked and Yancey knew that he would remain friends and love this fellow anyway, & had to confront idea that gays cannot find a way to be healed no matter how hard tried It sounds maybe 1% absolute max ever find some healing on earth. With that other shoe on, what would YOU do if child or yourself were stuck gay ?? Suffer in silence ? Try & refuse to act on urges all life long ? Fight depression ? Ponder suicide ? Marry & hope time would change you ? What would you honestly do with shoe on other foot ??
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-2 # Blair Hudson 2013-01-31 12:00
My interpretation of what Jesus would do? In all things consider love to be your aim. Not judgement lest you yourself be judged and have your sins ranked.(Many came to stone the evil doers?) Some gender issues are permanent and from birth. Kudos for wanting to walk in mile in their moccasins.
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+2 # Hnak 2013-01-31 17:41
Jesus is not in favor of sin. The unrepentant sinner has a grim future. How can it be right to say what is sinful is okay and then encourage others to do the same.
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+1 # Kristie 2013-01-31 22:17
I am concerned about the statement that people are stuck...it doesn't allow for the complete and total healing that can come through God. No one is ever stuck...God is able to do exceedingly more than we ask or imagine. With God, all things are possible. Homosexuality is a sin just like lying, stealing or adultery. All need God's grace for forgiveness and restoration. But, just because we can receive grace and forgiveness doesn't give us carte blanche for racking up a lengthy tally sheet of habitual sins. We are called to be holy as God is holy, and to show our love for Him through obedience to His Word. I think that Christians must support and follow God's Word, and encourage that in our circles of influence. I am praying for the leaders of the Boy Scouts of America who have been placed in the spotlight with this moral dilemma. May they choose to follow God's Word over the pressure of political correctness.
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0 # Michael Patrick King 2013-02-02 22:08
I am "stuck". I am autistic. When I received my diagnosis, at age 57, I was distraught. I had spent nearly six decades on the fringes of Society, ever praying and working for a better life. I received Christ when I was 26 and since then have never doubted His love for me. When I got this very unwelcome news, I immediately prayed to Him to "make me normal". He refused. "You are the way you're supposed to be," was His response.

God does not promise us perfect lives. He only promises us strength and peace to get through life. Kristie, you are WRONG when you say that "no one is stuck". Sin is not a crime against God; it is the death that comes from being separated from Him. It is also a human universal; everyone has some. Anyone who claims to be free of it is a liar.
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+3 # Kevin 2013-01-31 10:15
No. The Bible is clear about the sin of homosexuality. It is sad that so many Christians are being misled.

However, Christ said the path is narrow and that many would fall away due to the cares of the world. In the end, you either trust man or God.

Man is not God. I feel sorry for those who choose the way of man over God.

We kept our son out of Boy Scouts this year because we discovered the national board had two members who were pushing the homosexual agenda.

As Christians, we cannot abide it. We do not want our son even potentially under the guidance of homosexuals.

Homosexuality is a sick perversion of a gift God gave to husbands and wives. It is our duty, if you will, to instruct our son correctly in the such matters.

God's Word is the source of truth, anyway, not the Boy Scouts. Ultimately, we are not called to be Boy Scouts, we are called to be Christians.
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+2 # Jane A. 2013-01-31 10:30
Who would have thought: Homosexuals in Boy Scouts and young women going into military combat. What was wrong with the traditional gender roles?
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+4 # Kerri 2013-01-31 10:43
As a Christian, I believe that homosexuality is a sin, as is lying, murder, adultery, etc . . . This is a tough call. On one hand, Jesus hung out with tax collectors, prostitues, & the like. He also told them to go and sin no more. Where is the line. We must love & care for everyone because Jesus has commanded this, but we also have a right to not have our children subjected to a deviant culture & it is deviant. Sometimes it's hard to love the sinner & hate only the sin. At the end of the day, I believe Christians have already compromised way too much. We've got to draw the line somewhere, but we also have to admonish & declare our beliefs in a Christ like way.
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+1 # Janet 2013-01-31 15:53
I love your thoughts Kerri. You put my own struggle into words. I want people to know they have God's love all of the time - but I also want them to know they don't always have God's favor. God cannot bless our choice to sin. We are called to share God's love and forgiveness for our sins, but we are not allowed to offer them permission to sin. Sometimes that is a hard line to walk. In fact, without God's Spirit, walking that line is impossible! Thank you for the reminder to be Christlike as we share God's truth.
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0 # Kerri 2013-01-31 17:11
Thanks Janet! You called it. God forgives, but failing as a Christian & choosing a sinful lifestyle are two very different things. I always say that Jesus was and is perfect for us, because we never can be.
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+1 # RedDog2 2013-02-01 01:53
New thought, how shall we allow or bar homosexuals from such as BSA if they are not acting on the sin, they know they are gay, don't hide the fact when topic comes up "why aren't you dating or married ?", but wish to follow Jesus' teachings of "go and sin no more" and they honestly have a track record of successful many years of celibacy ?? How and why should we bar them from being involved in BSA ??
They are in God's will. Do we still ban them ?? Why ??? Would Jesus ban them if they stay true to celibacy ??
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+1 # Dianne Taylor 2013-01-31 11:50
A firm, "no!" My husband was an Eagle Scout and later a Scoutmaster. Our son grew up through Weblos, Cub Scouts, the Boy Scouts. Unfortunately, the Boy Scouts of America are on the edge of going over the moral cliff, following so many in our country accommodating the principles of tolerance of all lifestyles and beliefs. Churches sponsor many Scout troops, as did my husband's. If this new gay policy is adopted, no church should sponsor a troop. As adults, the safety of our children is paramount. Allowing one's child to the exposure of such a lifestyle is like turning the Scout loose on a major highway in driver's seat of a sports car and telling him to go as fast and be as wreckless as he desires! The time has come for Christians to stand up, be heard. We love the sinner but renounce the sin of homosexuality as written in God's Word. The world is waiting and watching for our response.
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-1 # Michael Patrick King 2013-02-02 22:17
Dianne, as a Scouter with over ten years of camping experience, I can categorically state that no Scout is likely to be "exposed" to any such "lifestyle". We have Youth Protection Guidelines that all Scouts and Scouters are sworn to uphold. These guidelines forbid any personal/private contact between men and boys, outside of program. The issue here is "inclusion", not "exposure".
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+2 # Katherine 2013-01-31 12:05
This spells the end fo the Boy Scouts of America. An important part of the scouting experience is interacting with Scouts from around the country and the world in camping situations, jamborees adn other troop group gathering activities. So allowing certain troops to choose moral, biblical, heterosexual membership will not protect those troops member scouts from homosexual interaction and influence at gathering events.
A loud and vocal mini minority has shown great influence in our counrty to our great detriment. Do not be afraid to speak up for what is right.
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+3 # Ed Wisner 2013-01-31 12:21
Were the early Boy Scout organizers wise before their time when they included these words at the end of the Scout Oath: "...to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally STRAIGHT." (Emphasis mine.) How can a gay boy subscribe to that?
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+2 # Robert 2013-01-31 12:29
I have a son in Scouting. I disagree with the proposal. However, I am struggling with this issue as a biblically informed believer, but also as someone who knows the strength of the Scouting program in developing future leaders. In my experience, sex has never been an issue initiated by the Scout program. If the boys do so, the issue is directed back to their parents. Good leaders already deal with that issue fairly well (the ones I know). Furthermore, is Adultery, Divorce or Ponography any more or less a sin as Homosexuality? I despise and lament each, but understand there are leaders and participants to whom the other three absolutely apply. Biblically, sin is sin, I have it, my Scout has it and it exists in the program. Am I not called to be 'in that world' and speak lovingly against sin where I see it while caring for that person? As this situation progresses I am hoping my visits with pastors and friend along with fervent prayer will provide a defensible perspective.
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+1 # RedDog2 2013-01-31 12:56
Excellent way to work with the issue, Robert !! Kudos to you for using your head and thinking it thru, not just emotions and Chicken Little syndrome, "The sky is falling, the sky is falling, wring our hands, whatever are we to do ??!!" Let God be God and have faith God will take care of judgement and punishment on every single person, not just a select few considered "abominations". God has clearly instructed us to be God's hands and feet on earth, as we are his only hands and feet here. God judges just fine from Heaven above. We need not to wring our hands in constant fear and worry. Exhibit our faith.
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0 # Rae 2013-01-31 13:10
Do you suppose that threats of pulling financial support by UPS, Merck and United Way had a part in the decision of the national Scout group? Perhaps the voice of 27 million Christians might affect their position? History tells us that the Roman empire fell because of moral corruption. This country is headed down that very road.
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0 # Matthew Blair 2013-01-31 13:28
We are letting the perfect become the enemy of the good. If sin disqualifies you from being a boy scout or leader, then quite simply there would be no scouts or leaders!If sin disqualfied you from being a member of the church, then Grace is meaningless. If a Muslim or Hindu boy asks to join your Christian church troop are you going to turn him away because he doesn't believe in the same god as you do? The BSA does not require belief in Jesus as the son of God. This decision, if made by the BSA, will simply allow the local church or other sponsoring organization set the policy. So before you worry about the speck in your brother's eye, take care of the log in your own. Maybe, just maybe, a homosexual, or other sort of sinner, will seek a better path through his association with Scouting.
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+2 # Janet 2013-01-31 16:11
This is a great comment Matthew and you express the dilemma well! There is no such thing as a person or organization in our world - churches and ministries included - that isn't impacted by the sins of the people, and the sins of its leaders. I think the struggle with the Boy Scouts is that the choice involves children. Do we knowingly involve them with an organization that teaches a sinful behavior is all right? God offers grace for our sin, but He never offers permission to sin. I hope the end result of this conversation will be a large number of Christian men who choose to step up and lead, setting a godly example for our kids.
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+2 # Jean 2013-01-31 15:23
I would not be willing to drop off my son to attend a Boy Scout meeting. How would I know if the leader was a gay or straight?
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+4 # Don Poage 2013-01-31 16:16
Red Dog brings out an interesting, but not factual point. How many men are healed of lust? Or women of envy? Or children of lying when it helps them out of a jam? Or Presidents? It seems our country has already legalized many sins mentally. Then we legalize them in order to normalize them. If we cannot discern right from wrong, what's to keep ANYTHING from being wrong? All this permissiveness has not made out culture or country stronger Not all alcoholics get sober. But of those who make an honest, humble attempt, many find a freedom they never knew. Lowering the bar on bad behaviors elevates no one. Declaring there is no God does not make it so. We must pray for the wisdom of Christ to know what to do, them the strength to go do! As Yoda once said, "Do or do not. There is no try." I have done many things I should not have done. God has taught me valuable lessons that way. This is a sign of other lapses in moral fiber our culture is experiencing. It's called sin. There is a cure.
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+2 # Ernesto 2013-02-01 08:56
Janet, I think that the church has been sleeping on the homosexuality issue for a long time, and now that this issue has touched an organization like the Boy Scouts, everybody is going nuts. There is a lot fear to not offend anybody, which has kept the Church quiet before this wave of depravation. I firmly believe that the Lord gave us his authority and weapons of mass destruction to demolish Satan’s works in the spirit realm. Sadly, we've been playing religion and separated ourselves into denominations and human legalism; hence we forgot that we are the body of Christ and that He is the head of the church. So, that lack of unity in the body of Christ, gave the devil a huge advantage to continue his deceptive and nasty agenda, advancing all this wicked way of thinking and immoral lifestyle into our society and culture. We need to commit ourselves to stand for the truth, and that truth is the Word of the one and only God. It’s time to bring Kingdom order back to Earth.
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+2 # Bruce 2013-02-01 11:35
As a Scout leader of 14 years having helped guide two sons through their Scouting experience, I'm extremely concerned about this policy review as well. It would go against the Scout Law of keeping oneself morally fit, not to say directly disregarding God's will. However, a parent of a Scout should simply not drop their son off at a Troop meeting or campout. They should be involved with their son's life. By being an active Scout leader, whether helping with the programming or administration of the troop, the parent not only knows what is going on, but is actively involved in a boy/young man's maturing process. Active involvement with your son's life, as well as making teaching and enacting Biblical principles a key part of your parenting will guide your son to a closer relationship with God and away from those things that are not in God'w will.
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0 # Janet 2013-02-01 15:29
Thank you Bruce for your response. It is great to hear from someone who is actively involved, with Scouts and with your sons! I would "amen" all that you said. Parenting requires an enormous investment of time and energy...thanks for making that investment in your sons and in your sons' spiritual lives.
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-2 # Vonda Ristow 2013-02-01 18:08
Science will provide irrefutible proof that homosexuality is biological, and not a choice. I wonder what the response will be then from those who say it's a sin. A person cannot control what gender to which they are attracted any more than they can control being left- or right-handed. They can fight it to try to change it, but biologically they cannot. And fighting one's sexual persuasion only causes depression and lifetime scars to everyone involded. It's hurtful and mean to label someone as a sinner based on their biological makeup, the person God made them to be.
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+3 # Janet 2013-02-04 11:18
Thank you for your comment Vonda. I would like the chance to explain something that I think most people, including most Christians, misunderstand about the biblical position on homosexuality. I think Science does point to the biological traits that lead to homosexual attraction. I think our culture is quick to assign certain personality traits as "homosexual." Every human being is born with genetic traits and tendencies. But every human being is born with the ability and right to choose their behaviors. The Bible doesn't call the trait or tendency a sin - just the choice to act on it. Simply put, sex is God's gift to a man and woman who choose to join their lives in marriage. Any other sexual relationship is a choice to sin...homosexual sex, unmarried sex, adultery, rape, incest, or using pornography is all a choice outside of God's will for our lives. God intended sex to be a strong bond between a husband and wife. A sin is simply the choice to disobey God's will.
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